I was holding off on this discussion because I knew it would bruise a lot of feelings and generate ire in those who would rather just sweep it all under the rug. I know I'm going to piss some people off with this, but fuck it. I've got to get some shit off my chest. I always try to stay tactful and diplomatic on messageboards but others have not been so tactful or diplomatic and this is my fucking blog and I speak my mind here .
There has been a growing movement among Middle Class Straight Caucasian Males to play the victim and whine and complain about being cast as the villain in race relations here in America. It's the complaint that Straight White Males are discriminated against because you can say negative things about them without repercussions and there's an immediate backlash whenever a racial or sexual minority is attacked. There is also the suggestion that programs designed to boost minority opportunity somehow deprive Straight White Males of opportunity by being exclusionary. This was bound to happen. Sooner or later there was bound to be a reactionary backlash to the Equal Rights Movement among even the most liberal of White folks and here it is. They are tired of baring the guilt for the sins of their fore fathers though they are more than willing to benefit from those sins. They are tired of being told that they owe the descendents of slaves any special consideration even though statistics show that opportunities for African Americans are no greater than they were fifty years ago. "How can that be when I see Black athletes and entertainers on TV making millions everyday?" Add that to the statistic of a growing number of minorities at or below the poverty level and a decreasing Black middle class and you'll get my point. Think of where you live and then think about where the Black middle class neighborhood is. In most cities there is none. There is the one black middle class family in the all white neighborhood. True, there has been a rise in Black homeownership but Black owned businesses are almost a thing of the past. I remember when Tupac was asked why he was still angry when he was rich and he replied that he's angry because his brothers and sisters are still poor and he has to live in an all white neighborhood now because if he tried to live in a Black neighborhood they would rob him because they ain't got shit.
When Public Enemy cried, "I have the right to be hostile! My people have been persecuted!" almost twenty years ago, everyone agreed because that was the popular stance of the time. Fashions have now changed. Now it is fashionable to tell Black people to just let go of the past and get over it even when inequality still exists in the workplace, in the political arena, in economics, and even in the entertainment field. Yes, there are hundreds of Black athletes making millions yet how many black coaches are there in pro-football despite the fact that they are pre-dominant in college and high school football? The same goes for Black quarterbacks. How many African American quarterbacks are there in college ball setting records yet how many of them are allowed to remain in that position if and when they are drafted? How many Black owners are there? There are more roles for Black actors these days but name the Black dramatic series on television? There are plenty of comedic roles but no one wants to hear about our problems. No one wants to see us as real people or heroes, only as clowns and buffoons. Remember what happened to "Homicide: Life on The Street" after the Nielson ratings revealed that it was being watched by a predominantly Black audience? The main character, who just happened to be Black, suddenly had a stroke and was replaced by his white partner. When fans reacted negatively to these changes the show was soon cancelled. The same happened to New York Undercover after the Nielson ratings revealed that it was in the top ten of shows watched by Black audiences and not in the top ten among white audiences. The Black and Puerto Rican main characters suddenly acquired White partners. Again, when fans didn't go for it the show was cancelled. Both of these shows were winning their time slots. They were just hitting the wrong demographics, meaning not White folks. So they were first gentrified and then expunged. Living Single wasn't even given a chance. As soon as the ratings came out that show was cancelled. Again, despite the fact that it was one of the top shows in its timeslot. Wrong demographics once again. As if Black people don't buy automobiles, toothpaste, and eat fast food. Yet again, we are just overreacting. We need to get over ourselves.
Ever since the Civil Rights Movement spotlighted inequality in America the Straight White Male has been handed a major guilt trip. He has been demonized in the consciousness of most minority Americans and for a long time even in his own consciousness. I don't know what it's like to walk around with the guilt of being the recipient of privileges acquired from the enslavement of 50 million Africans or the death of 50 million more. I don't know what it's like to walk around with the guilt of being the ancestors of those original slave masters. I don't know what it's like to have the blood of nations of Native Americans on my hands. I don't know what it's like to be thought of as an oppressor even though I personally had not oppressed anyone and neither did any of my family members. I don't know what it's like to have every word out of my mouth scrutinized for possible racist overtones simply because I am a member of the ruling class here in America. I also don't know what it's like to walk into a job interview and not think about the color of my own skin as a possible limitation or to never have those fears justified. I also don't know what it's like to see a police officer cruise by without thinking of the color of my skin as possible probable cause for harassment or to have never had those fears justified. I don't know what it's like to have never walked into a store and had security follow me around because of the color of my skin. I don't know what it's like to have never had taxi cab drivers refuse to pick me up because of the color of my skin and to have never had them blatantly admit it without feeling the least bit of guilt for it. I don't know what it's like to have never been the only representative of my race at a social event, at a job, at a school, in an entire corporation. I don't know what it is like to not have to think about the color of my skin every fucking day, when I'm applying for a loan, when I'm just walking into a bank, when I'm buying a house, when some stupid salesman turns on hip-hop music and blares the stereo as loud as he can in order to try to sell me a car, when I'm approaching anyone who's never met me before and who isn't a minority, when I listen to Caucasian Americans talk about the good old days. I don't know what it's like to listen to some of the largest corporations in America give apologies for slavery and then oppose reparations when their wealth was built off slave labor, to see politicians with blatantly racist views get elected and then reelected, to see programs designed to help minorities cut or abolished, to see bills designed to help minorities vetoed, to hear statistics that say that African Americans are six times more likely to receive the death penalty than White Americans who commit the same crime, and not feel like this country I pay my taxes to every year doesn't give a fuck about me.
So, yeah, I kind of understand the Straight White Male's frustration at constantly being cast as the bad guy but I think that giving voice to those frustrations, not feeling like it's a comparatively miniscule price to pay for all the privileges you have the luxury of taking for granted ( and by privileges I mean rights you enjoy that minorities don't in case there was any confusion) as a result of racial discrimination in America, makes you an asshole.
A gay author and I were chatting on a message board the other night and he remarked that he didn't think there was any prejudice in the Horror community. Several others jumped in to disagree with him on this stating comments made about Maurice Broadus and I behind our backs and how there were still people pissed off about my defense of African American horror anthologies and other comments I'd made in response to the "Poor poor pitiful Straight Middle Class White Male" mentality. See, there was a thread on a message board a few years back in response to an anthology that was coming out of African American Horror Authors. Some well-respected authors got on the thread and started making fun of the anthology and no one stepped in to defend it. No one. Except yours truly of course. I get that many of the other authors were probably intimidated by the caliber of some of the names involved in this thread. I get that many people probably hadn't ever thought about the question of racially specific anthologies and so were undecided on the issue. But the over all tone of the thread was so offensive that someone should have spoken up. As they say, all it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to do nothing. So I got on and went on the attack. A few authors even had the balls to try to defend their stance. What did they say? Oh, come one. You know. You've heard this old tired ass reasoning before. It's the same idiotic justification attempted when people get up in arms about Black History Month or Affirmative Action. "How would you feel if we had an all White anthology?" How stupid is that? So I asked these ballsy morons, "Out of all the horror anthologies, short story collections, novels, and novellas on your bookshelves, how many are written by African American Authors? How many feature African American Heroes or heroines? How many even feature African American villains or even side kicks? And of those who do how many feature these characters in non-stereo-typical roles?" You getting my point here? There is no need for an all-White anthology because just due to the fact that Whites are the ruling majority in America and even more so in Horror, almost every horror anthology is all-white. Those that include the odd minority are rare indeed.
Now, flash forward to just a few weeks ago. I stumble across a thread on a widely-read message board asking why there was a need for a gay rights movement. Again it was stated in a very condescending manner and once again numerous authors jumped on the bandwagon. There is a need for movements that specifically address specific rights that are being trampled on because there has been a general guide for all rights here in America for over two-hundred years in the Bill of Rights yet certain groups have still been victimized despite this. So, for all the morons who can't understand "All men are created equal" we have found the need to get more detailed. Thus we have Gay Rights, Womens Rights, and all the various other Equal Rights Movements. Once the conversation began to shift towards the entire Minority Rights Movement (which it did almost immediately) I jumped in, almost immediately. One of the biggest arguments here was "Why is it okay for minorities to trash Whites and not okay for Whites to make fun of minorities?" This was a serious question. More surprisingly was the fact that there were many people who shared this concern. As stated above, I get it. I know that the Straight White Male is sick and tired of being cast as the bad guy and I agree. It would be a better world if there was no discrimination at all whether it's the majority discriminating against the minority or the reverse. But are you really saying that you can't understand why the oppressed makes fun of the oppressors? Aren't you from this planet? You can't understand why it's not as offensive when Jews make fun of Nazis as it is when Nazis make fun of Jews? You can't understand why the privileged kid making fun of the underprivileged is more offensive than the underprivileged making fun of the privileged? One is a survival mechanism and one is just pure cruelty, hatefulness, and selfishness. There's a big difference in me saying White people can't dance and have small dicks and you saying Niggers are lazy, stupid, crack-smoking, murderous thieves. What I said might make you uncomfortable and piss you off but it ain't going to sit in the minds of jurors and send innocent men to jail, it isn't going to fester in the back of an employer's mind when he's looking across from me at a job interview, it isn't going to influence a police officer's decision on whether to pull me over and go billyclub crazy because I'm not wearing my seatbelt. And there is no word you can call a White person that has the painful history of the word "Nigger". There is no word for White people that means "My people enslaved, raped, tortured, oppressed, and abused your people for over two hundred years". Nothing compares in terms of pure hatefulness than the "N" word.
My girlfriend and I were on our way to church. It was a church I had picked because I'm not big on religion and I wanted something non-denominational and multi-faith. So I found a Unitarian church that just happened to be in a predominantly Latino and Black neighborhood. Half-jokingly but Half seriously she asked me if we could leave if we pulled up and she was the only White person there because she would feel uncomfortable. I was mildly offended and told her that being with me she'd have to get used to it just like I had to get used to being the only Black guy in some situations. She then pointed out that I had been dealing with it for far longer than she had, all my life in fact. I had grown a thicker skin to prejudice over the years. I was used to it. For her it was a new experience. She was right. I was used to it. And that's a damn shame. It's a damn shame that because of me she's going to have to get used to it too.
Race relations in America suck. They are getting better undoubtedly. Twenty years ago I walked down the street with my Italian girlfriend and got hateful stares from both Black people and White people alike. Now those glares are less frequent from White folks though my sistas still harbor the old animosity. Twenty years ago movies featuring African American main characters were few and far between. They are still relatively rare and the fact that you can name the five or six that came out this year or last out of the hundreds of movies Hollywood releases each year just proves my point. Still, those five or six are winning awards and opening doors. True there have been so few Best Actor or Actress awards given by the academy to Black actors that you could hardly even call it a handful, but the majority of those that have been given have happened in the last five years. True, Black people are still pulled over by police due to "Reasonable suspicion" almost twice as much as White people, but there is far more of a chance than there used to be that if we wind up in court the judge will be Black. True, it has been proven again and again in the last two decades that you can completely ignore the Black community and still get elected President. But the possibility of an African American as a serious candidate for the presidency has never been greater. So, yes we have come a long way, but not enough to relax and get over it, not enough to stop fighting. We cannot let the past be the past until it is no longer a reality in our present. And we certainly have not come far enough for the meager table scraps we are tossed from massa's table to be any threat to the Straight White Male hierarchy. Relax. You are still in control.
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i am so fucking happy to read this.
(and so fucking sad to think of the inevitable backlash.)
"What I said might make you uncomfortable and piss you off..."
The only thing that pisses me off is that things aren't any better than they are now.
AND, that people - whoever they were on the message boards - can be SO FUCKING ASININE. People supposedly said shit about you and Maurice? I'm sick to my stomach. Disgusted. Furious.
(And I had no idea that's why Homicide and NYU went to shit and then vanished. Argh!)
Thanks for writing this, Wrath.
Excellent post Wrath. I get the feeling that if this creates backlash, it will certainly add weight to your argument.
I would like to point out, that my comment was that I'd not experienced any overt prejudice. I did not deny its existence. Small point, but wouldn't want people to think I was totally naive. Take it easy.
this is why you are required reading on my message board.
I like to think there's a possibility for prejudice to disappear.
I know it's not likely, but still...
I live in Australia right now, in Sydney, and in all honesty, it's rare that I see black people here. Or Latinos, though there are a few (and most of those seem to be from Brazil or Argentina or someplace else). The minority that I most see here is Asian.
There are tons of people in Sydney from China, Korea, Vietnam, Japan, the Phillipines, etc. One of my best friends at work came here from China only 3 years ago. We've had conversations about how Americans view Chinese, how Chinese view Americans, etc, and I see more and more two things simultaneously: 1, that there is plenty of prejudice, in plenty of places, whether it be racial or sexual or gender or nationality or religious; and 2, that besides geography and history, she and I are basically the same, that despite the widespread existence of prejudice, there's absolutely no need for it, and no excuse.
Living in another country has given me an opportunity to experience prejudice directed toward me. It's not common, not comparable to what you have experienced as a black man in America, not comparable to what a gay man faces, but there are some people who blame Americans for everything. Sometimes, I agree with them. At a SF/Fantasy convention, an editor on a panel discussing the state of the small press in Australia made a comment about how she would not accept stories submitted by Americans (and another editor agreed). One girl I worked with said she hated all Americans, though she then excepted me. Hell, the day after Bush was declared victor in the last election, I went into work and told everyone, "Today, I'm from Canada." (As I said, small small things, not worthy of comparison, but enough to give me an idea of the taste.)
Prejudice is such a big, nasty thing, and if anything, I think you're understating its influence and impact on our world.
Thanks guys. This post was a long time coming. I was actually hoping to wait a year or two before writing it but I got pissed off and had to get it off my chest. I am an optimist when it comes to racial relations, John. I guess that's why i get so hurt and offended when things keep popping up to remind me how far we have to come. I tend to get a little blinded sometimes and forget that everyone isn't as liberal and enlightened as my friends and acquaintences and then some idiot on a messageboard pops up to remind me that it ain't over yet.
Wrath--
Here via Jeremy Lassen, and a fellow Las Vegan.
Thank you for writing this.
--Bear
I agree.
It isn't as I might have said it, but the core is true to the facts.
I'm white. My second step-father was black. I've lived in places where I was the only white guy. It's interesting to be the minority.
It's interesting, because I can go back to being a member of the non-minority, which makes it less oppressive.
Do I like being cast as the villian for things I never did? Of course not. Does it make me bitter? Not as a rule (it may piss me off as some individuals, but not at "insert minority here").
The point you made, which I noticed most, was the bit about other minorities, and that being black is somehow different from being gay, or disabled, or deaf, or...
And that, my friend, stinks on ice.
So, I'm with you on this one,
Keep speaking out on shit like this, Wrath. Some thin skinned horror pukes might take your points the wrong way, but the "horror community" will only ever be worth a shit if people continually challenge the simplistic, hateful, and ignorant assumptions that seem all-to-prevalent.
Best,
Jeremy Lassen
Awesome post, James. Nothing's more annoying that some privileged snot whining that he might end up being slightly less privileged tomorrow.
A column in the UK Guardian late last year, taking on some of the same sorts of issues -- "No offence, but why are all white men so aggressive?" -- entertaining & pertinent.
Great read, Wrath. Very thought provoking.
John Burks
This is beautiful. I'd like to think that things are getting better in the United States, but I have doubts. It feels like white people are under the impression that things are okay now, they can stop worrying and stop deconstructing the shit in their heads. Young women aren't even feminists anymore. That's really scary and it reminds me, over and over, that we can't stop fighting. This is essay is another weapon in our arsenal, so thank you for it.
I hope you girlfriend gets over it and realizes that she has a responsibility to get over it. Why is she so scared to be the only white person in the room? What's the problem? She should be examining why she's scared of black people. If she gets funny looks, she should realize that she has to occaisionally pay for her white priviledge and forgive people for not being able to trust her on the spot. Forgive it and understand it, and work to prove herself worthy of trust. She's gone her whole life being looked as like an innocent, good white girl. That isn't always going to happen, and she should realize that. And realize the constructions that allowed it in the first place.
It's wonderful that you're pushing back. And if there's blacklash to this post, I wanna be there.
Nice post Wrath.
I do agree 100% percent with you, being Mexican. I know what you're talking about.
Funny story! I had just finished a set design for Too Short a few years ago, and we started goofing Todd Shaw starting making jokes about my race, and he said something akin to take that nigga. And I came back with well, with this “Man, you are so ugly that when your mom had you the doctor took your umbilical cord and hung himself, now take that nigga.” Now being that my flesh is a shade of light light light brown. They all stared, and the crowd grew silent.
It was at that point everybody with in an inch radius took out their .9. Including Shawn, I never seen my life flash that fast. I took a step back and I began to tell them, well if you presume to call me Wetback, then you are well capable of taking in that “word.” I also explain to them that the Mexican people endure the hardship of being slaves being rape murder and pillage by the white man. So I am well within my rights to call you Niggas as a term of endearment. I have that right to call my buddies Niggas. Why? Because I understand what African Americans went and still go through. Then Shawn lowered his weapon and took a step back and apologized. He said that we was cool, and that I was a down nigga. And I answer back with the same.
No I haven’t experience racism because of the color of my skin; I never had the pleasure of being stopped by the cops just because I fit the description. I never had the bank denied my loan for my house because of what my race represents.
But I do say this, and this is going to sting a little bit. As my hero Popeye said, “I am what I am because that it is all that I am.” And if black people keep this over our heads that “we’ve been suffering racism for the last 200 years” I say to you look around and do something to stop it.
I am not going to apologize because I drive a nice car, I am not going to apologize because I make a decent living, and I am not going to apologize for my big house.
I worked hard for what I have. I went to school and I’ve burned candles at both ends just to get a decent wage. I question everything that was taught to me. And now I can now do something to stop the negative image that my race keeps giving out. I am going to school for my Doctorate so I can teach and maybe just maybe, end this racism bullshit that us “the minorities” have to endure. Ending racism is a noble cause and I am a dreamer. But I also believe that if you sit there and bitch at the world by sitting down you are not going to get anything accomplished. So I say to you people that cry about racism, get up and dance, and let’s shake the system down a bit.
Here is something that minorities: black and Hispanics seem to forget. We outnumber whites 10 to 1 so let show them what our people could do. As my fellow Hilter once said let’s “reich” that means rise. Let our Meim Kamf begin.
Great post, Wrath.
Paul
here via Jeremy Lassen as well.
Also black, also a geek, also familiar with those experiences, also in agreement.
Well written, so thanks.
Chris
Wrath -
Excellent essay.
Thank you for writing it, you've expressed something important.
Superb essay, Wrath! Thank you for taking the time to write this. It's important.
Wrath--
You don't know me, but I was at WHC2005 in NYC this year and heard you read. It was the first time I'd ever heard of you and your work, and made me want to hear more.
Found your blog through Douglas Clegg. I suppose some folks would say that it's nothing like your fiction because it isn't horror.
I disagree.
It's sad that things like this have to be written. Sad, but necessary, because it is still a problem.
Regards,
Jennifer
I'm not a member of the horror community. In fact, I'm not much of a novel reader at all. I have friends in the community however, and links from them led me to this post.
It was very powerful post Wrath. I grew up in rural Iowa where racism was rampant, and I've always done all I could to quash it. I am also making sure that my daughters do not get any indoctrination in this kind of behavior.
That's where I think we can end this. With the next generations. If we strive to make our children accepting of all races (and lifestyles) things will continue to get better and more assimilated.
There is only one thing of which I disagree. I think having black antholgies, a black Miss America paegant, etc. only separates people. Trust me, I don't think that white people should have white only anthologies, or Miss White America or anything like that, far from it. I just think that making that deliniation just shows seperatism when we should be bringing people together.
Infiltrate the system man. Get more black writers in anthologies, get more black women in the paegants. Make it commonplace, as it SHOULD be.
It takes a long time to turn around stereotypes and such. And I truly believe that if we just work really hard to come together, and to teach our kids to do it from the outset, that we can start to turn this thing around.
Once again, great post, and thanks for having the courage to speak out.
Man...Can I start a fire or what? Wrath, very...no...EXTREMELY well written piece. I do not like to see prejudice in any form, women, gays, blacks, mexicans, disabled, it just turns my stomach.
I'm really proud to call you friend.
Cat
I agree with some of the things you said in your post. As someone in an interracial relationship myself, I have to say your observations about how you notice "the sisters" still have animosity sort of equates black women to majority white racists. You seem to be fairly understanding and almost feminist leaning in some of your posts, so this surprises me.
The dynamic there is completely different and it's because of this history of oppression that you've touched on that we (black people) may have such bitter feelings about race mixing. Especially in a society where black women are perpetually portrayed as the unwantable unless they look like Halle Berry, Beyonce, whatever pop culture person at the moment that catches people's fancies. You could understand then, why some black women feel animosity, which really isn't animosity but more like sadness turned to anger in what they may view as a rejection of them. The same way that when black men express dissatisfaction to my being married to a white male, I recognize that we have been put through such an abusive cycle that leaves a lot of us plagued with self worth issues. That we have not always been considered wantable, desirable, visible and that my pairing seems like a blatant slap in the face.
The dominant culture doesn't have this to contend with. The feelings that our sisters and brothers feel towards us are feelings of hurt and anger of being rejected. After being bombarded with the message that white is beautiful, it is most desirable, it is most wanted.. I understand why other black people may feel that rejection, hurt and pain. That's not at all what white men feel when if they saw you out with white women. It's not at all what white women feel when they see me out with my husband. But then again there hasn't been a cycle of degredation aimed at white people as fundamentally ugly on the basis of skin color, nose width, hair texture and simply existing.
It just struck me as sort of odd that what blacks feel about that and how they may treat us, would be equated to the same thing whites may feel about interracial dating. It's not the same at all. White people are the dominant culture, so of course they wouldn't express the same sort of contempt that minorities do when they see minorities dating outside races. It's the same for latinos, asians, and anyone who is marginilized. There will always be the feeling of rejection that the majority will never know, because the majority has always been desirable.
It's kind of like the point that you were making about calling someone a nigger when they're black. If we could apply it to telling a black woman/man that the potential white mate is just better, the reaction would be completely different and most likely not even make an impact if you were to tell a white woman/man that potential black mate was just sexier. So yes the bigotry and the discrimination is there but it's rooted in something completely different. It's rooted in rejection for us.
I'm here via Jeremy as well. I don't have anything profound to add, but I had to post anyway and thank you for an incredibly moving, well-thought-out, and well-stated piece. It's incredibly disheartening to think that there are still people out there naïve enough that they could disagree with any of this.
There's one thing I'd like to say, Wrath, and I hope my point is clear. I'm Irish, Italian, and German. My ancestors were too busy being oppressed to own any slaves. My Italian grandfather spent his childhood running from groups of white kids and being called a greaseball. When people find out I'm Italian, they assume I have mob connections. When they find out I'm Irish, they assume I'm a drunk. When they find out I'm German, they assume I'm a Nazi. But most of all, when a black person sees me, they see me as a white guy, and assume I'm a racist.
While I can't quite identify with being a victim of slavery, I can identify with being a victim of oppression. And more than that, I can identify with being judged by the color of my skin.
Another great post, Wrath. Beautifully put.
For every African American who says "white guys can't dance and have small dicks," there is a white guy like me who disproves that statement, 'cause I can dance. Sort of.
Bill B.
Thanks for posting everyone. I truly appreciate the show of support. John, I do understand your point about trying to integrate/ infiltrate more mainstream venues as opposed to creating our own. I just don't believe it is an either/or proposition. I think that both approaches are valuable and neccessary. It is easy for editors to say: "We don't know any minority horror authors. We don't know any Gay authors. We don't know any feminist authors. They never submit to us." I have heard this more times than I can count. And everyone would just accept that as truth until they saw an anthology filled with Ethnic authors, gay authors, and women authors. It's hard to maintain that line in the face of such tangible evidence. The point is to remain visible in whatever medium we can even if we have to create our own while at the same time working to gain entrance and acceptance in mainstream venues.
Sette, thanks so much for your comments. In no way did I mean to suggest that the animosity felt by women of color towards interracial relationship is coming from the same place as that expressed by white males. But intolerance is intolerance. I understand the feeling that dating outside your race is somehow seen as rejecting your race. I also think that in this day and age we should all be enlighten3ed enough to realize that this is not always the case. True, in many cases it is, and that's truly sad. I'm sure we all know Black men who refuse to date Black women and vise versa. However I don't think it is fair to assume that this is always the case. I think assuming that everyone who dates outside thier race is doing so because they see another race as better or more desirable is another prejudgement (read prejudice). Being in an interracial relationship is twice as hard when you now have to deal with this type of prejudice from your own race. And the bitterness and hostility faced from members of your own race who disapprove is usually far more hostile and extreme. In my case, and I'm sure in yours as well, it is simply a matter of being open-minded and not limiting my relationship choices to any one race or nationality rather than having a decided preference for one or the other. As I've said before, no two women I've ever dated bare any resemblence to the other. I've dated all over the spectrum. Because I go where my heart goes. So I am offended when someone tries to dictate the direction they feel my heart should take or narrow my options in love and romance. I am offended when I get evil looks and nasty comments from people who think I should "Stick to my own". No, it is not the same as the animosity expressed by White males towards miscegenation. It is often worse.
Thanks for your post, Joel. You said:
"...When people find out I'm Italian, they assume I have mob connections. When they find out I'm Irish, they assume I'm a drunk. When they find out I'm German, they assume I'm a Nazi."
I think that's the key difference. No one has to discover that I'm Black. There's also the difference that whether you are Irish, Italian, German, or Jewish, in America you are still considered White with all the rights and privileges that come along with it. Whether you owned slaves is really not the point here. With the amount of immigration that has happened in the last century very few White Americans are really the descendents of slave owners. None of the immigrants who came over on Ellis Island were carting slaves with them that I am aware of. The point is that the color of your skin allowed for assimilation in the generation or two it took your ancestors to lose thier accents. Two hundred years later African Americans have still not successfully assimilated. We still do not receieve an equal share of the benefit from the country we helped to build. A European can come over here today and get more opportunities thrown at him than a Black person who can trace his roots back two hundred years in this country. That's the point I'm trying to make here.
You are correct, Wrath, for most people my ethnicity isn't an issue. However, that wasn't really my point. You yourself said that you are concerned that others will prejudge you, based on your skin color. But aren't you engaging in the same behavior - judging others based on their skin color? Someone once said racism is a two-way street, that one has to rise above it. That's my point.
Wrath, you live up to your name, and it is a righteous fury. I am clapping in an empty room right now for your words, and inside I weep for the truth of them. Please, do not give up. There are many people who don't give a shit about skin color- only soul and heart. You got both.
Again, Joel, you aren't understanding me. Saying that White people enjoy privleges in this country that minorities do not is not a judgement. It is a fact. Saying that your skin color allows you to rise higher in corporate America and in the political arena is not a judgement. It is a fact. Saying that your skin color would guarantee you greater consideration in the American judicial system is not a judgement. It is a fact. Saying that minorities have not gotten a fair shake in this country is not a judgement. It is a fact. Where in everything I have said is the judgement? All I have done is stated the facts. My statement that Straight White Males should take all of that into consideration before they get up in arms over a Black anthology or a Gay anthology or even a Women's anthology is an opinion. Not a judgement. My statement that they should take all of that into consideration before they get all up in arms over Black History month or Affirmative Action programs or Black Comedians making jokes about the American ruling Class is another opinion. Where is the judgement?
Wrath, I'd like to reply but don't want to clutter up your blog comments or seem argumentative.
If you can email me at jimbob111@hotmail.com I would like to respond to some of your comments.
Jb
Upon looking back over my Blog entry I did find one judgemental statement and that was when I implied that if you were a Straight White Male in America and therefore an indirect or even a direct beneficiary of the descrimination of minorities, and you did not believe that you owed any special consideration to those minorities who are not as privileged as you, then you were an asshole. However, as this only implies to a ceratin mentality it is not a judgement on the color of your skin but rather the content of your heart.
The judgement is in assuming that race is always a factor. Saying that someone got something they didn't earn but they got it because of their race is insulting to everyone involved. Saying that someone was mistreated just because of their race is also insulting. I am by no means denying that racism happens in this country, in some places more than others. What I am saying, though, is that the belief that everything bad that happens to you is on account of your race - or your sex, sexuality, religion, etc. - is self-destructive. How can you ever get anywhere if you believe that someone else is holding you down? Yes, I recognize that sometimes that is the case, but I'm not sure you recognize that sometimes it isn't.
Brilliant... absolutely brilliant.
Joel, I'm not sure you recognize that I have never said that everything that happens to minorities is a result of our color, sex, religion, or sexual orientation. Nor did I say that White people get opportunities they don't deserve. What I have said is that minorities often do not get the opportunities they deserve, that the effort they put out in search of the American Dream often goes unrewarded, that the glass ceiling is something Straught White Males never have to contend with, which is a very different statement indeed and one you would have to agree with. I hope. What I said was that the assupmtion that discrimination does not exist or that it is some minor thing barely worthy of mention or consideration is offensive. The fact that some people who do not and have never been discrimanted against in such a pervasive and consistant manner would get angry and defensive when discrimination is discussed or exposed is offensive.
Oh, man... are you black?
I had no idea.
How funny.
Joel, I hope that last post didn't seem too hostile. I really do appreciate you having the courage to ask the questions you've asked and voice these concerns. I'm sure there are others with the same questions and concerns who perhaps do not have your bravery and perhaps viewing our discussion will help answer some of these questions. This type of dialogue is extremely valuable and important if we are ever to get any closer to understanding one another and I hope it doesn't end here. I don't have a lot more to say on the subject but I'm sure it will come up again. I was really just addressing a specific concern of mine and not trying to turn this Blog into a Black Power forum. I knew that this would be the most controversial of all the topics I'd written about so far but damn! I had no idea. Everything else I write will probably seem like a let down after this one. It's funny to think that I'm one of the most open-minded liberal guys you'll ever meet but after this I'll always be known as the angry black militant guy. Those who know me know how far from the truth that really is. I get angry from time to time like everyone else and as I said, certain comments from certain people pissed me the hell off. That's not my perpetual state however, most of the time I'm just looking to have fun like everyone else. Making a difference in how people look at themselves and others just happens to be my idea of fun.
Wonderful post Wrath. More than just passion, this was beautifully written. I've not always been the clearest thinking person. This made me think more clearly. Thanks Man.
Thank you for that, Weston.
Wrath, you're not afraid to speak your mind, and I have a lot of respect for you because of that. I did indeed miss the point of your post, and I apologize. I thank you for clarifying your position for me, though.
"It's funny to think that I'm one of the most open-minded liberal guys you'll ever meet but after this I'll always be known as the angry black militant guy. Those who know me know how far from the truth that really is."
Naaa. You'll always be the 'Can't Hold His Smirnoff Ice Guy' to me... :)
LOL! It was the Baccardi Ice that did it. You tricked me! I can hold my Smirnoff damn it!
Wow! Thanks for this. This is an awesome post and an awesome blog!
Great post, wrath! I just stumbled upon your blog today, and wow, I like the way you expressed yourself in this blog.
I am a Hispanic female from New Mexico-where the minority is the majority. I understood what you meant when you said you wish you knew how it felt to not think about your skin color everyday. When I leave New Mexico to visit a place like Michigan...wow, it feels awful. Those stares made me feel like a low class alien or something. I've been lucky to have been raised in an area where my culture is everywhere, but once I step out of the boundaries-it's scary out there.
I'm a former Housing Manager. At one complex I managed an older man used to come in and tease with me about being racist. He always said something like "If you were to see me on the street you'd just drive by like I wasn't there." Well one day I happened to be driving down the street and he was by his Mother's house... I layed on the horn and started yelling, "WIllieeeee!!" He just got this big smile on his face as I drove by like a maniac lol.
Seriously though, I like being taken at face value, not race value and I do the same with others. Some white people blame other races for everything and on the other hand other races blame white people for everything. If everyone stopped judging generally and started looking at individuals the world would be a lot better place to live.
Peace Be With You
do you know my ethnicity? probably. but i listen to rap, so am i more likely to be white or black? whatever i am its not likely that i agree with you because while you may see the problem, but you don't see its cause, and so your solution is inapropriate. the problem is poverty and its not just race which determines poverty though darker skin tones do attend to it. if black people are somehow taken from the projects so that whites may replace them, then from the perspective of equality we really haven't achieved anything except made the probelm-poverty-less visible. affirmative action only succeeds in placing underqualified applicants where qualified individuals might have otherwise gone. by the time we ship us off to college its too late. Why not make that African American a viable candidate before asking him what his race is??? why is his skin color suddenly an excuse to have lesser academic standing. we are only saying to ourselves that it s ok that this man be less educated than his white peer. i am concerned about my fellow man. i want him to go to the best of colleges and get the best of jobs and live the best of lives based on his status as a human being, not as a black or yellow or white or brown or mauve human being. educate the black man in grammar school, give him books for christ's sake, stop telling him that its ok that he don't learn nothin, he has to speak as well as I as You, as We speak. No more excuses now, teach him.
Thanks for sharing there whoever you are. While I certainly respect your opinion, please try to limit your comments to the actual content of my Blog. If all you got out of it is that I want more government hand outs for minorities and Black people out of the ghetto and White people there in their place then you really need to read it again. Perhaps this time read it without already presuming you know what I am saying. Try reading it with an open mind in other words.
People can get mad all they want, but it wont change the fact that what you said was the truth.
"One is a survival mechanism and one is just pure cruelty, hatefulness, and selfishness."
I had never heard it put this way before and it makes perfect sense to me. One of the first things we do as human beings is learn how to cope or adapt to our surroundings. I guess that the first one is a response to cope with bigotry and the other is just plain bullying because they can. You should have went into Psychology, you would be good at it.
This has been gnawing at me for a few days. Our country just endured one of the worst and most deadly school shooting sprees in its history. Yet, it was a blip on the media radar. After Columbine, we had days, even weeks, of unending speculation, analysis and developments headline the 24-hour news channels. We had local newspapers and TV stations localizing the story - Could it happen here? How do we keep our kids safe?
This time, it’s been met with a collective shrug of our nation’s shoulders.
It almost makes me sick to think it, but could it be because the shooter and most of the victims are Indians? Did Columbine get a higher profile because of its severity or, at least in part, because it involved upper middle class America? If this recent shooting had taken place in the relatively white suburbs, would it have gotten Columbine-like treatment?
The thought makes it hard to look in the mirror, doesn’t it?
I say this
Anyone, if they are a decent person, wants to look past the color of a person's skin. They want to ignore it entirely. It is, after all, irrelevant. Neither Conservatives nor Liberals are perfect, but Liberalism is the philosophy that divides us from each other. It accentuates our differences rather than our similarities. It insists that there is no possibility of cooperation between the races (more specifically, cooperation with whites) even when that cooperation is fully evident.
I must now order my license plate KLALYTS ;)
Great post, Wrath. I don't think I ever admitted it to you before, but I used to be one of those chickenshit racists when I was back in highschool. I've grown as a person and from our time in Vegas together I think you know I would go to war for you regardless of the difference in the color of our skin. Ignorance perpetuates racism and I hope your blog opens up some eyes. Keep up the good work.
Mark
I think things are becoming a lot more discrimatory based on income as opposed to only race. I am not saying that the upper class is not 99.9% white, but that white upper-class is just as happy many times to discriminate against a poor white person as they are a black person. I have actually seen them step on a poor white person quicker that a minority because the feared the wrath of minority discrimination more than picking on a poor white male. I know many poor white people that live next door to poor blacks and their life seems about the same, the same struggles, same income problems. I really think today’s problem is the widening gap between the have and have-nots. There is no denying as I said above that 99.9% of the haves are white males and they enjoy all the privileges you mentioned to the fullest. They also do their damned best to keep those privileges from minorities and poor white people. I have seen well-to-do black people be hateful to poor blacks just like well-to-do white people. I am not saying that if a poor white man and poor black man both applied for a job they would be on equal footing, but more and more I see the color lines blurring and becoming economic lines.
Will
I think things are becoming a lot more discrimatory based on income as opposed to only race. I am not saying that the upper class is not 99.9% white, but that white upper-class is just as happy many times to discriminate against a poor white person as they are a black person. I have actually seen them step on a poor white person quicker that a minority because the feared the wrath of minority discrimination more than picking on a poor white male. I know many poor white people that live next door to poor blacks and their life seems about the same, the same struggles, same income problems. I really think today’s problem is the widening gap between the have and have-nots. There is no denying as I said above that 99.9% of the haves are white males and they enjoy all the privileges you mentioned to the fullest. They also do their damned best to keep those privileges from minorities and poor white people. I have seen well-to-do black people be hateful to poor blacks just like well-to-do white people. I am not saying that if a poor white man and poor black man both applied for a job they would be on equal footing, but more and more I see the color lines blurring and becoming economic lines.
Will
Sorry for the double post, I am a computer idiot some times.
Will
Welcome, Mark. Good to hear from you again. Don't sweat the racist stuff. We all have some pretty fucked up ideas about life when we are young. You're still a great guy. I have a confession to make to you too. Remember when you used to come in on Sundays to spar and no one else would show up and you'd always end up having to spar with me? Well, one day I got into a pretty heated argument with my girlfriend just before you showed up and when we sparred I was really trying to take your head off. Just letting out a little aggression. Hope you didn't mind. Just think of those left hooks as penance for your misspent youth. Now that you are officially the other fighter/ writer on the block we'll have to get together and talk literature...while we trade hooks ;)
Wrath,
I don't remember that sparring session, or any others, but that probably has something to do with you trying to kill me in there. Just fucking around - I enjoyed all the ass-kickings you handed me. Maybe one day I'll be able to return the favor but I doubt it.
I just wrote my first erotic horror story. Is it a good sign that I felt like I needed to take a shower after writing the piece?
Some point, I hope all discrimination can end. Things are getting better, I think. But on the other hand, I don't think it will ever end completely--for any group of people. There are going to be some blacks who still hate whites for what happened in the past. Some whites will hate blacks. Some straights will hate gays. Some gays will hate straights. Honestly, I don't understand it. People are supposed to be smarter than that.
I usually stay off boards and such cuz I just can't handle the things people say just because they have a keyboard in front of them--thoughtless, low-esteem, please-love-or-hate-me-but-notice-me things.
Then Gerard says I HAVE TO CHECK OUT your blog and I do and damn, Wrath, you really lay out your thoughts beautifully, intelligently and with passion. No surprise there.
On the Race against Race. Hey--I think its a great idea to have a white only antho, they could keep a bunch of white only books in a building and call it Barnes & Nobles or Borders or something...I have no patience for any discussion why there's a need for black anthos (but then again no one has actually approached me about it or said anything negative about you or Maurice around me, but that could be cuz I probably give off the air of someone who wouldn't take that kind of crap well, being mildly black and all) and you're elegant words explain why.
It's funny that I don't think much about being in a interracial marriage --I just think/feel fortunate to have found someone to share my life with and I feel loved and there just isn't enough love in the world.
That's always been my reaction when I see two people together, but I'm just strange like that.
Not that I'm color blind, but I choose to live my life, my way and treat others the same.
I've bookmarked your blog and I'll break my rule and visit ya, cuz you do talk/write good. Laying it out like you see it!
(from linda with the dragon on her arm)
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