Friday, November 04, 2005

The Myth Of The Afterlife

Life after death. It seems such an obvious contradiction when written out in simple words. Living after you have ceased to live. Seems as if it shouldn't even require discussion. Yet billions of people across the globe from hundreds of different cultures and religions believe in just such a thing. Our senses reveal to us the evidence of life's cessation. We see the heart stop beating, the lungs stop inhaling and exhaling. We can measure brain activity as it dwindles to a halt. Yet we still believe that life continues. We believe without any evidence to support this belief. Those who do believe this seemingly unbelievable idea say that no one really knows for sure. All we have is our faith to show us the way. Is that really all we have? I beg to differ. They point to the lack of evidence against an afterlife. Lack of evidence? Really? I would suggest to you that there is now and has been for several centuries enough evidence to completely debunk the myth of the afterlife. If you have anything close to an analytical mind and you are at all open-minded and you wish to maintain your illusions than do yourself a favor and read no further. Consider this like a movie thread with spoilers in it. Because I intend to tell you exactly how this movie will end and I don't want to ruin it for those who need their illusions. I am well aware that for many many people their faith is necessary to them, something they could not imagine living without. I am not so cruel as to wish to snatch the life preserver from a drowning man. But those of you of strong faith who are already one-hundred percent committed to the conclusions you have reached through faith, who are well-skilled in the art of believing without evidence and against all contradictory evidence may well enjoy this journey and since faith has always been an effective weapon against knowledge I'm sure you will come through this unscathed. Those of you who are truly open minded and not committed to any one conclusion, but are open to all ideas may find this helpful in figuring out your own life philosophy.

First we must agree on exactly what we mean by life after death. Obviously we are not talking about the heart pumping, lungs breathing, growing and reproducing, type of life as it is defined on this planet as we can all safely agree that this does come to an end. For the purposes of this argument we will agree that we mean consciousness after death. Consciousness after the body has been annihilated, brain and all. This theory rests on the belief that the brain is not the seat of consciousness but rather the "soul" is that part of ourselves from which all of our drives, desires, instincts, emotions, and awareness originate and where our memories and personalities are stored. This soul is said to be something non-physical which cannot be physically unmade thus allowing for the consciousness to continue after the destruction of the flesh. If we can agree on that than we have a place to start and here's the first question you must ask yourself:

"How is consciousness achieved? How are you conscious of these words on this screen, the keyboard at your fingertips?"

Of course the answer is because you can see this screen. You can feel the keyboard beneath your hands, hear the click of the keys as you strike them. You can perhaps even smell the plastic from which your keyboard and much of your computer is composed. Baring these senses you could even taste the metals and plastics to confirm the existence of your computer. You are conscious of this computer the same way you are conscious of all things, because you can taste, touch, see, feel, and hear it. Consciousness is a product of the senses, senses which are all destroyed when your flesh decays and rots from the bone.

You can't see without eyes. You can't hear without ears. You can't taste without a tongue. You can't feel without nerves and skin and flesh. All of these things will rot away with the rest of your body and then what will you see with? What will you smell with? What will you hear, feel, taste with? How will you be conscious then? Extra sensory perception perhaps? Maybe there's some mysterious sixth sense that will somehow materialize after you die? Yet, we find no evidence of a sixth sense anywhere. Even those people who claim to have it, speak of it in terms of their five senses. They have visions. I can assure you that people who have never seen before have no visions. They cannot even imagine what the world truly looks like, just as you cannot imagine a color that you've never seen before or a sound that you've never heard. The blind do not have visions and the deaf do not hear voices. At best, any sixth sense would be merely an augmentation of your existing senses, which being dead, you would no longer possess.

So there you would be, alive but unconscious of anything outside your own mind (if we allow that the mind is non-physical, which I'll address soon), a vegetable of sorts. Oh, but perhaps this afterlife is like some of the Eastern religions believe, an eternal dream state? But see, the problem with dreams is that they require memories and you wouldn't have any. Did I forget to mention that? You see, when you die, your brain rots and everyone knows that that's where your memory is housed. That's why a blow to the head, a high fever, consciousness altering drugs, can all screw up your memory. Severe brain damage, we know can delete your memory and your entire personality forever. It can render you unconscious for the remainder of your life as well. Now, how could that be possible if the consciousness where some non-physical spirit? How can you physically affect the non-physical? How could a blow to the head render you unconscious and even wipe out your memory if the soul, and not the brain, were the seat of consciousness? Why is it that we can link the damaging of brain cells to the loss of both memory and consciousness if the brain were not a necessary and vital part of your consciousness? We can infact pinpoint the exact area of the brain where memories are stored and we can directly link the destruction of brain cells in that area to the permanent loss of memory. What do you think would happen to your memory if your entire brain were to disintegrate in your skull and leak out of your ears? If a blow to the head, drugs, or a high fever can render you unconscious what do you think would happen to your consciousness when your entire brain decomposed? Obviously, when your brain goes, so goes your memory and all other type of consciousness.

I knew a guy who was sitting in a coffeeshop when he runs into an ex-girlfriend. I remember the story so well, because he wrote a poem about it. He approached the girl and said hello, smiling from ear to ear. She smiled back and asked him if he knew her. His smile faltered as he replied, "Yes, of course I know you."

"Than who am I?"

She had been in a car accident a few years previous and had total amnesia. They sat down and talked and she began asking him questions about herself.

"I like sports now. Did I always like sports?"

"No, defintely not. You hated sports."

"I'm a lesbian now. Was I always a lesbian?"

"Uh, No."

She blushed realizing that they must have been lovers.

"I paint now. Was I an artist before?"

"No. You weren't."

As they talked he realized that he was talking to an entirely different person in his former grilfriend's body. There was nothing the same. Even her pattern of speech was different, he said. I saw a show on TV about a kid who was a college football star who had an accident, got amnesia, and now hates football and thinks it's stupid, iss shy around girls, is completely opposite of the kid he used to be. His parents say that they had to bury their old kid and treat their son as if he were an entirely new child because he was. So, obviously even with our same bodies our memories go along way into deciding the type of people we will be. So, again I ask you to imagine what it would be like to wake up in a new body with no memories of ever having been anything else. How the hell do you think that "You" by any reasonable definition of the self would continue to exist? Your self would be no more.

So, let's look at this afterlife of yours. You are a disembodied spirit without the ability to see, feel, taste, smell, or hear, no way at all to experience anything new and no memory of ever having experienced anything in the past. You are as unconscious as a stone and you can't even dream. Remember what I said about not being able to imagine a shape or color or taste you'd never experienced? What if you'd never seen or experienced anything? If you had no memory of any shape, any color, any taste, any cutaneous or kinesthetic sensations, how could you dream then? Dreams of an eternal blackness without form or substance or sensation? Does that sound like heaven to you? That is no afterlife.

But maybe those New Age religions are correct and life is just this eternal energy that's a part of everything and last forever. That could very well be possible, but so what? That energy is not you. That sounds like that mindless disembodied spirit with no memory and no consciousness. But maybe those Eastern religions that believe in reincarnation are correct and this energy is transfered into other living things after you die? In fact, considering what we know of matter and energy, reincarnation is probably closest to the truth. Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely transformed from one form to another. But I doubt we are talking about reincarnation the way it is presented in most religions as your life force being reborn whole and intact in another form, but rather your life force disintegrating, reintegrating with the earth, and then being recylced in many different forms much like the process your flesh goes through. But even if we allowed for the possibility of your memoryless lifeforce being reborn whole and intact in another form, again, so what? Whatever new form this energy is converted into it will not be you. Your self is created by your perceptions of the world, shaped by your own unique perspective and the experiences that shape your personality compiled in your memories. The fact that you are a certain height, a certain weight, a certain race, a certain nationality, a certain sex, that you grew up in a certain area under certain circumstances, all go into shaping your identity. If I were to remove all of that, would you still be you? Think how drastically your perception of the world and your sense of self would change if I were to put your consciousness into my body. How long do you think you'd still retain your identity? Now what if I were to remove all of your memories and then put your consciousness into my body? Would you still be you? Even if I was to remove all memory of you ever having been anyone else? Would you still be the same person or would your entire identity, your entire self, be destroyed? Now imagine I were to take your unconscious memoryless "life-energy" and place it into an animal or a tree or a bird or, more likely, combine pieces of it with other disembodied life forces and disperse it among many different types of life forms? Think your identity would still somehow remain intact? Think you'd retain your sense of self with no memory of ever having been anything but the myriad creatures your soul is now scattered amongst? Would you still be you with your essence broken down and scattered amongst many different creatures? Nope, uh uh, all that you are, all the lessons you learned throughout your life, all the memories and experiences you suffered for and now cherish would be lost forever. You by any reasonable definition of yourself would cease to be.

Now, how about if I didn't put your mind into another body but just set it adrift in the ether without memory and without senses, without consciousness, essentially without you, as dead and lifeless as a stone? Would that mindless, deaf, dumb, and blind thing still be you? Or would you be gone forever? And that's only if you buy into the very unlikely idea that there is some type of life energy that exists independent of the body. More than likely the energy of life is just a chemical reaction caused in the body that ceases once the body ceases to function. It is highly unlikely that this energy exists as some integrated whole even as it lies in your body now. Still, this is a far more likely scenario than your life force exiting the body with all of its senses and memories intact to run off to heaven and continue its existence. I think I've pretty much proven that that ain't happening regardless of what the various biblical texts may lead you to believe.

But what about becoming one with the infinite, uniting with the all, becoming one with the universe? That is like that reincarnation I was speaking about, your life force suffering the same fate as the flesh, being broken down and integrated with the larger body along with Billions of other life forces. Like a drop of ink in an ocean. Pretty nice cozy way to describe the extinction of the self. You become part of the all! Digested by the earth or the universe to be recreated as new things that, of course, would not be you. See, you are more than just some nebulous energy or force. You are a specific thing with a specific definition, specific hopes, specific dreams, specific memories and experiences, a specific way of perceiving the world and interpreting those perceptions. Without a body, without a consciousness and without a memory, you would not be you, but something entirely separate and unique from you. What you are describing is akin to melting down a shiny new Ford and making silverware out of it and still trying to call it a car. Sure, all the same material is there, but that car is gone. Man is more than just the sum of his parts and I assure you that while all the chemicals and minerals and perhaps even the spark of life that animated you shall continue on, it will continue on without you. All that you are shall cease to be. That's what happens when you die. That's why no animal on earth has any desire to shrug off this mortal coil except for man, who alone has the imagination capable of self-delusion. And that's what we all have to look forward to. That's how the movie ends.

So, when someone asks me why I write, this is the long answer. I write because I value all the memories and experiences I have suffered and struggled to acquire. I value them if for no other reason than that they have cost me. Every lesson I have learned in my life has a corresponding physical or emotional scar and it offends me that these should be scattered on the wind and lost forever when my empty, memoryless, unconscious life energy vacates my rotting carcass. So I preserve them through you, the reader. You extend my life. As long as there are readers to discover my thoughts and carry them on in their own heads than my thoughts will not be dead until the last of my readers perish. That is the only afterlife we can hope for.

15 comments:

Marc said...

I am sure I don't have a satisfying response, but for me, I am caught up in the truth that I find in Jesus of Nazareth. Eternal life is caught up in Him. I am convinced of His reality and truth, and the power of His words.

I offer no argument here because there is certainly no way that I am going to best you in an intellectual sparring match (or in a physical one for that matter ;-))

-Marc

Wrath said...

This was definitely not intended to sway the faithful. Faith is something outside of logic that stands immune from argument. That's why it is easy for me to converse with you and Maurice because I know that as long as we are respectful towards one another we can talk about things like this without fear of doing harm to anyone's beliefs. Those who are perhaps on the fence where existential issues are concerned might get something out of this though and as I said, the real point is just to share my observations and conclusions so that they don't die with me some day.

Anonymous said...

. Man, you are as cocky as any modern thinker that ever wrote. I'm praying for a supernatural encounter of any kind to unconvince you of your position.

What is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. What is seen decays and passes away. It's observed through the senses, but what is unseen is “sensed” through the spirit.

You're profile and postings identify you as a hedonist and man of the flesh. I totally appreciate the flesh man who enjoys pleasure, sport, adrenalin, women and the life of the mind. However, if you are dedicated to your flesh man, how can you possibly discern the spiritual realm.

Thus, I'm praying for a divine an undeniable divine encounter for you my friend.

Wrath said...

An existential egoistic hedonist to be more exact but yes, a hedonist none the less. And yeah, I'm cocky as hell but only because I have worked hard to discover everything that I believe and have questioned my beliefs time and time again. I've looked at all the opposing arguments and philosophies and found them all wanting. I haven't just excepted what was handed down to me by others. Now, If there is some irrefutable spiritual awakening in my future than bring it on! If God is out there than what the hell is he waiting on? In my opinion the fact that God chooses to hide himself relieves me of any responsibility I might have felt to believe in him. See my post: "The Father"

Heather said...

Finally, someone who see's things the way I do. Well said, Wrath.

Wanderer said...

I don't believe in any religion. I don't use faith as my argument on the afterlife, I use the very senses that you described. There are hundreds of people alive right now who have the ability to see the future. Can you understand how it happens? No, you can't. But it's happening. There are thousands of completely legitimate psychic kids who can see and speak to the dead, so tell me how is that possible if there is no afterlife? I'd like to see you explain that to me, because if you don't believe a single one of those kids, then the fact is you're just another idiot whos experiences and theories have gotten him nowhere. I'm 18, I've seen spirits manifest before my own eyes. It makes me glad to know I'm so young and already better off than you. I will find the answer.

Wrath said...

I have one simple answer to that, my friend. Prove it. Because no one and I do mean no one has proved any of the things you mentioned above but many many have disproved them. The whole talking to spirits thing has been debunked so often that I can't even bring myself to argue about it with a straight face. Thirty years ago The Amazing Randy put up one million dollars to anyone who could provided verifiable evidence for the existence of the supernatural and that money remains uncollected and literally dozens of so-called psychics have been debunked along the way, dear deluded friend. So, you are still pitifully lost and deeply misguided and delusional. But you have fun with that. I ain't mad atcha.

Wanderer said...

I'm not denying that there are frauds and individuals out there who are willing to lie and decieve for money and fame. But, you cannot cite one man's experiment as proof that the supernatural does not exist. We are constantly evolving, just as all beings do. Abilities are bound to develop over time. Do you truly think we have reached a plateau in evolution? Using your logic, then since no one can prove how we were created, we do not exist. You are the pitiful one; because If I am indeed misguided, you are even more so.

Sami said...

Wrath, i am very much in a similar setting as 'Wanderer' according to this argument.
You know when you read a lot of those religious beliefs and just get this thing going around through your head about how ignorant they are to other things and how all they talk about are sins, faith and heaven?
yea, well that's the same thing I realize as what your talking about.
My friend do you know that other creatures do have other senses?
Such as bats, Insects with antennas, dogs (can sense events such as earthquakes) and many others I cant sit and count because its the sorta thing I learned in primary school.

Now following your argument its safe to say you agree with all the basic scientific theories and ideologies about evolution and natural selection?
then you in your own argument contradict that fact by saying that only these "5 senses" exist.

Plus according with our current state, we only use 5% of our brain.
Did you know that our brain waves do affect and change all particles around us and with the growing consciousness we will in time be able to use more of it as has been occurring from the past. Eisenstein's brain actually measured 6% starting off from a boy who failed basic algebra to become one of the most renowned scientists for coming up with theories that changed the view of science and 'possibilities'.
Just think of how much more we can do with all that brain power.
Think of how much we dont actually know.
i respect you a lot in ways because that is the exact same mentality I had before a few experiences of my own.I don't let anyone tell me whats right or wrong, follow my own morals and beliefs. Yet at certain times i realize that denying all other peoples claims and beliefs is just me turning into one of them stubborn and ignorant fools i used to scorn.
I realized it all works with YOUR OWN perception and what you believe and conceive into your subconscious.
You should look into quantum physics, it helps you understand many of the phenomenon argued between all different people religions, including science.

Peter said...

Every single culture, civilization, etc. going back eons, has had beliefs concerning the afterlife subject. Human beings, with our highly developed brains, are incapable of imagining that we don't exist in some form. This is the basis for all religions. I agree with Wrath, when it's over, it's over. What lives on is what of us is in the memories of the living, and in the contributions we made in life. For those that need a faith, go for it.

Edwin said...

Hello Wanderer, I find your comment very interesting, that you have seen spirits manifest before your own eyes. I am like Wrath, who has not seen or experienced anything like that and I am finding it hard to believe in the afterlife due to the lack of evidence/experience. However, the difference is that I am keeping my mind open so it would help if you could contact me so i can ask a few questions.

edwinckk at hotmail dot com

i found this webpage by googling "is the afterlife a myth".

Peter said...

Dear Wrath, in all respect I must tell you that your opinion is wrong.
You are coming from the sandpoint of the physical materialistic illusion. Your arguments are well thought out, and to those looking for answers it would give them a possible explanation. Although I doubt it, since it would be in conflict with the reality we all know to be true in our sub conscious.
You see Wrath, it's like this. We have a brain. That mass of grey matter inside our skulls. We also have a mind, which is seperate from the brain. This could be also referred to as our true self, soul, sub conscious, whatever. The mind holds our memories, intuision, etc.
You use the example of amnesia for instance to support your argument. In this case consider the brain like a TV set. It processes the feed coming from the mind. If the TV, or brain is broken it won't be able to function properly.
Explain remote viewing? This has been proven over and over. The US military was even using remote viewers for spying on the soviet union. Science cannot explain how it works. Consider the late Dr. Richard Ireland. He was the real deal.
You say animals should also have souls. They don't. Only we humans do, simple as that.

I had to write this to help anybody that could get sucked into your theroy to look a little deeper. Intuativly we all know the truth, and understanding is liberation.

Everything is God.

Love and Peace

Ron

Wrath said...

Hey Peter,

Like most theists, you present you mind/ television theory as if it was a proven fact, which it obviously is not. Remote viewing has likewise NEVER been verified in a controlled experiment. Not by us and not by the Soviets.

But let's look at your "broken TV" theory. What your theory fails to recognize is that the body is producing the signals picked up by the brain. This HAS been verified in controlled experiments. The rain is not picking up signals from outside itself. The signals are coming from muscles and nerves which, as I stated, are destroyed with the body.

Like all religious claims, an alternative explanation is inserted where none is needed. You don't need to consider the possibility of a soul when trying to figure out how the brain works. Neurology works without any consideration of ghosts and spirits. If this soul you speak of, this disembodied mind, was real then nothing about the brain would make sense without taking it into account. We know how to fix televisions because we no where the signal originates from and how the TV interprets it. the more we learn about the brain (and notice I said brain and not soul) the better we have become at repairing nuerological injuries. But maybe we should abandon what works and just try our hand at soul repair.

Whenever a theist talks about what you know "intuitively" you can bet he is talking about the beliefs you have been indoctrinated with since birth. Like racists intuitively know that other races are inferior. Buddhists don't intuitively know that God is in heaven and neither do those lucky enough to have never been indoctrinated with religious fairytales. What we need to do is stop all this mindless belief and learn to think, question, test and experiment, and ultimately to understand. We need to wake up from this mindless emotional and intellectual infancy our species is stuck in.

Peter said...

Wrath, I understand your argument. I also understand that remote viewing has not been proven by science as we know it, but it exists anyway. There have been thousands of experiments conducted over the years, and it's real. Every single person has this ability to do this, even you. Some have the talent naturally. Others must be trained. The intuition I'm talking about is something deeper than conditioning. Just because pshycic phenomenon can't be explained by current scientific methods does not mean it doesn't exist. When the Wright Bros. first flew in 1903, many said it was a hoax.

I don't intend to convince you. Your beliefs are obviously rooted in the physical plain. Another thing, I'm not talking about religions, of which there are at least 2600 on this planet. Religeous beliefs have nothing to do with spiritualism. Religion was created by man, living in this dimension. And has been used for eons to control, and supress populations.

In conclusion the only thing to say that you, me, and everyone else will find out sooner or later. For me there's enough evidence out there that I know what to expect. I don't care what conventual science has to say on the subject. I know where they're coming from.

Peace

Peter

Threshhold said...

The fear of death is an essential part of our psyche and prevents self destruction! Without it evolution would be impossible and the extinction of the Dodo is a prime example of a fearless but stupid animal.
So we have a built in conflict!
We have to survive but we know we are going to die.
Solution? Everlasting life as proclaimed by all religions and spiritual beliefs.
If may be true or not, but at least, it makes us feel better if we can believe in some kind of survival after death
If death means non existence why are we scared?
There is no pain, hunger or anything uncomfortable. In fact you won't be aware that you are dead or have existed before
Why does it not bother us that we know we were non existent before we were born?